OK, as a former GOP supporter for many years: GOP time to take heed that you pissed me off enough to not only just not vote for the GOP but to get up off my lazy butt and leave the party (my wife as well) and become a democrat. Want to know why you lost? Here you go!
Do I like the idea of less govt? Yes, but at this point, not at the cost of being in other people’s lives!
- Give Women some respect. You don’t give it and I’m a man. I can only wonder what the women think.
- Give Gays, etc. some respect. I don’t care what people do in their bedrooms as long as they are not hurting anyone.
- Give people of other races some respect.
- Give science some respect. It knows more than you do.
- Not all Social Programs are bad. Stop with the Big Govt. = Evil
- Not everything is better at the State level. Some things are, some are not. A lot of things can run better at the Federal level.
I know that religion drives a lot of the anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-science stuff. Plus these voters are great because they will vote with you all the time, but guess what… They make you look crazy to the young, the educated and minorities.
We’ve grown up. Going after the white male vote isn’t going to cut it. You need more and to really succeed, you are going to need to change big time.
I can see you don’t want to. Even now as I watch the news cycles, I’m not hearing about change. Just about trying to capture a small part of the hispanic vote to push the white vote over the top.
You need more! Go the way of Reagan and kick religion to the side. Realize as he did that it’s fool’s gold and not something to mix with Politics.
So, here’s the debate that I talked about earlier:
So, some quick thoughts:
- AronRa has to learn to dial back the tech talk a bit. I think he explains things well to someone like me who has a number of science degrees, but doesn’t have this subject in my wheelhouse. However, he not going to convince someone who doesn’t know about Evolution that it’s true. Keep it simple. Also, slow down a bit as well to give people a chance to understand your points.
- AronRa was also talking over Ray a bit too much. I understand he was trying to correct Ray who has no idea on how Evolution works, but if it is a debate, then each side should get a chance to speak their points without interruption.
- It was really hard to tell if Ray Comfort really couldn’t understand Evolution, doesn’t want to understand Evolution or he does understand and didn’t want to be boxed in a corner and have to admit it.
- In the end, AronRa won the… let’s say Argument rather than a Debate. Ray can only appeal to emotion here and has nothing really to say other than ‘Just look around, God Exists!’. Sorry Ray, but we have a very good idea how everything got here. Maybe not a 100% complete idea, but that’s no reason to add a God to the Equation.
I don’t really think it’s worth having another one of these until Ray has something better to add.
Well, if you haven’t seen this video by now, you should:
Bill kicks butt and takes names by coming right out and saying that Creationism is bad for kids to learn. Also, that this type of thinking is bad for the USA and hurts us against other countries around the world.
Well, to anyone who doesn’t believe in Bronze Age Mythology anymore, this is a no brainer. This story is a copy of other older stories. Really this myth is in two parts written 100s of years apart and has conflicts between them.
If you want to believe in God, good for you. I think any study of history, etc. shows that you are wrong (depending on what you believe), but believe in a deity if that’s what you want.
The myth of Creationism has long been disproven. It’s like believing the Earth is flat. Folks in the USA need to learn where their Faith in God should end and that’s right where Scientific Theory begins.
And if you are thinking that Evolution is just a theory, please educate yourself on what a theory is in the world of science.
So today, I had some Christians knock at my door to chat with me. I’d like to say they were Jehovah Witnesses’ but they never told me. They did have a magazine, but it wasn’t a ‘Watchtower’ magazine, so I’m not sure.
Anyway, I wasn’t looking to get ‘into it’ with them; it was hot and they were easily into their late 60s. To be honest, I felt bad for them. Going out door to door in the summer is not for the elderly. However, they were insistent and I either had to close then door on them or talk to them. I had about 30 mins to kill, so I figured ‘why not’.
She started out with talking about all the evil in the world today. I let her go on for a bit. At this point I wasn’t sure if I wanted to chat with these folks or not. I tried to say that I wasn’t very religious and leave it at that. However, that comment really opened up the flood gates with her. I gave my religious background and stated that I’m an Atheist today.
So that got into a talk about Morals and Science. In order of how the topics came up: I told them that I could raise moral kids without God, that the Earth was older than 6000 years, that evolution is a fact and that Noah’s flood didn’t happen. Sadly, at least as far as this blog post, they didn’t have a snappy answer for anything… Nothing about all Morals come from God and not much challenge about science. They did try the old ‘if we evolved from apes then why are apes still here?’. Happily I had my IPad on me, so I could flip to Dawkins ‘The Magic of Reality’ and show them some quick pics. 🙂 I also had to look up the definition of the word ‘faith’ for them, since they didn’t want to believe that it means ‘believe without proof’.
What really got me is when I started attacking the Bible, the answers they gave was just… disgusting.
I started with the Bible’s treatment of women; about how if a woman is raped, they should marry their rapist and pay a fine for damages to the father. (Deuteronomy 22) They told me that the Bible treated women just fine and well, that was just their culture. I went after that idea quickly. Why didn’t God offer death if you raped a women (he did for most other things)? He’s God, right? He can change their culture easily via his laws. Why not make that one of his commandments? Again, no answer to that one.
But really it went downhill from here, because the talk got into why would God order infanticide as well as killing women when Israel fought against other cities? (I Samuel 15 for example) What followed was two women trying to justify the killing of babies to me. Honest!
1) First they tried to tell me that the kids were at fault. That didn’t hold water long.
2) Then I was told that these babies would cause trouble at some future date. How they would know they came from some other city they couldn’t say.
3) Then I got that the parents were dead, so who would take care of them? How about the Israelites? More kids means bigger future armies.
4) Well, they said, God sent bears to kill kids who made fun of Elisha’s bald head. So it must be OK for God to do it. (II Kings 2)
At this point I was done. I told them that they started this talk about evil in the world and what can we do to stop it? Well, I submit that your God is much more evil then what humans try to do in most cases. We look down on killing babies. Your all powerful God does not. I have nothing more to talk to you about. I wished her a good day and told her to keep hydrated because it was hot out.
While it was fun, it was also disappointing. Clearly this woman knew her dogma and every Bible story big and small, but didn’t really have much defense of her faith. When questioned, she would try to jump to another topic and not really try to support her views. Better luck next time I guess…
This stuff drives me crazy: CNN Link
America’s Protestant pastors overwhelmingly reject the theory of evolution and are evenly split on whether the earth is 6,000 years old, according to a survey released Monday by the Southern Baptist Convention.
When asked if “God used evolution to create people,” 73% of pastors disagreed – 64% said they strongly disagreed – compared to 12% who said they agree.
Asked whether the earth is approximately 6,000 years old, 46% agreed, compared to 43% who disagreed.
A movement called Young Earth creationism promotes the 6,000-year-old figure, arguing that it is rooted in the Bible. Scientists say the earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
The Southern Baptist Convention survey, which queried 1,000 American Protestant pastors, also found that 74% believe the biblical Adam and Eve were literal people.
Wow, just wow! I guess it shouldn’t shock me too much that 3 out of 4 pastors in this survey believe Adam and Eve really existed. To start, it’s not possible from genetics point of view. That’s not even getting into fossils and everything else.
As for those who believe that the universe is 6000 years old. 7th grade math and what we saw with Supernova 1987A shows that’s not the case. Of course the universe is older then the 168,000 years that 1987A shows, but you have to start somewhere with these folks.
For those who need more information, here is Potholer54’s excellent vids on the matter:
Finially it’s done.
As I guessed, once Potholer54 got YouTube’s attention (past level 1 support), the issue got fixed. Good for him and thank you Potholer for standing up for what is right.
That took way too long. Here is the video again that started it all.
I can’t say I played this game, but it looks interesting. Its boardgamegeek page doesn’t even have an add on it for where you can get it. Seeing the video and reading comments on the link, it seems to have some flaws, but if the game has good interaction it might be a good ‘bash the leader’ game.
I would pick it up just for the educational value.